The American Visionary Art Museum has opened its 20th original exhibition. It’s called "The Visionary Experience: Saint Francis to Finster," and Tom's guests are the co-curators of that new show. Rebecca Hoffberger is the founder and director of AVAM. She joins Tom in the studio. Jodi Wille is a filmmaker and publisher who has documented the work of self-taught artists and explored various aspects of American subcultures. She joins us on the phone from Los Angeles. The exhibition is up until August 30, 2015.